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	<title>Comments on: Gym showers and sexual harassment</title>
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		<title>By: SydGym</title>
		<link>http://bonhom.ie/2006/03/gym-showers-and-sexual-harassment#comment-112</link>
		<dc:creator>SydGym</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 03:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was doing a search on this topic as just last night I was involved in a similar situation. 

I was alone in my gym&#039;s steam room when another man entered and started to masturbate openly and without concern about whether I was comfortable with it or not. After a few minutes of avoiding the man and hoping he would get the picture, I turned to him and asked him to stop. The man continued to masturbate then left the steam room a few minutes later. Not once during this encounter did I give him any sign I was interested in his advances. I am certain the man felt he could act this way without consequence as we were the only two in the room, which I found sexually predatory.

The reason I didn&#039;t leave the steam room was that I would have had to walk very closely past him, and feeling violated enough I didn&#039;t want to give him the satisfaction, so I waited.

I think I was well within my rights to tell my gym&#039;s staff about the man, and that if his gym membership was not revoked then I would seek to claim back my joining fee before cancelling my own membership. 

I am gay, but this man&#039;s behaviour was in no way provoked and was the most degrading experience of my life. The fact I was naked does not mean I had given up my personal freedom or that I had no right to say no when I was being victimised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was doing a search on this topic as just last night I was involved in a similar situation. </p>
<p>I was alone in my gym&#8217;s steam room when another man entered and started to masturbate openly and without concern about whether I was comfortable with it or not. After a few minutes of avoiding the man and hoping he would get the picture, I turned to him and asked him to stop. The man continued to masturbate then left the steam room a few minutes later. Not once during this encounter did I give him any sign I was interested in his advances. I am certain the man felt he could act this way without consequence as we were the only two in the room, which I found sexually predatory.</p>
<p>The reason I didn&#8217;t leave the steam room was that I would have had to walk very closely past him, and feeling violated enough I didn&#8217;t want to give him the satisfaction, so I waited.</p>
<p>I think I was well within my rights to tell my gym&#8217;s staff about the man, and that if his gym membership was not revoked then I would seek to claim back my joining fee before cancelling my own membership. </p>
<p>I am gay, but this man&#8217;s behaviour was in no way provoked and was the most degrading experience of my life. The fact I was naked does not mean I had given up my personal freedom or that I had no right to say no when I was being victimised.</p>
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		<title>By: Dermod</title>
		<link>http://bonhom.ie/2006/03/gym-showers-and-sexual-harassment#comment-111</link>
		<dc:creator>Dermod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 May 2006 06:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there anonymous,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If you share your experience of male gym showers with me, I&#039;ll share mine. Only fair. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Regarding rape and sexual assault, of course &quot;no means no&quot;. But the sort of behaviour that is described in these allegations is neither rape nor sexual assault.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there anonymous,</p>
<p>If you share your experience of male gym showers with me, I&#8217;ll share mine. Only fair. </p>
<p>Regarding rape and sexual assault, of course &#8220;no means no&#8221;. But the sort of behaviour that is described in these allegations is neither rape nor sexual assault.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://bonhom.ie/2006/03/gym-showers-and-sexual-harassment#comment-110</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 May 2006 02:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No means no. ALWAYS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No means no. ALWAYS.</p>
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		<title>By: Augustus Meriwether</title>
		<link>http://bonhom.ie/2006/03/gym-showers-and-sexual-harassment#comment-109</link>
		<dc:creator>Augustus Meriwether</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Mar 2006 08:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can only speak for myself here, but in my years of discreetly and mindfully cruising other men in similar situations, I have never come across such direct, aggressive and flagrant sexual advances. Even the most desperate and persistent come-ons have been after I&#039;ve given them a clear signal that I&#039;m at least &#039;on-side&#039;.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;There are usually several stages both parties need to go through before such forwardness is ventured - various signals and reciprocal signals. This is in anonymous situations, imagine how much more necessary such signals and stages are in a WORK related situation, where your position and JOB is on the line!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In the normal course of events you KNOW if someone is not looking for it or up for it. If they don&#039;t catch on to your subtle signals and return with other signals you just DON&#039;T go there. To do so would be sheer lunacy.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The description of events given by the alleged &#039;victim&#039; of sexual harassment seems extremely unusual behaviour and so extremely unlikely.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That is IF the &#039;victim&#039; didn&#039;t give any signals (they would have to be clear and repeated in this situation - you can&#039;t really do it by accident; a normal smile for example is not enough) that would lead a person in a &lt;i&gt;work-related&lt;/i&gt; environment to feel confident enough to make such full-on, brazen advances.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So, from the little information available, I&#039;d say the &#039;victim&#039;s&#039; complaint is a crock of homophobic shit - and if the gay guy wins this case, the &#039;victim&#039; needs to be sacked.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That said, unlikliness does not prove innocence and the gay guy could be an arrogant twat who thinks he can get away with flashing his willy willy nilly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can only speak for myself here, but in my years of discreetly and mindfully cruising other men in similar situations, I have never come across such direct, aggressive and flagrant sexual advances. Even the most desperate and persistent come-ons have been after I&#8217;ve given them a clear signal that I&#8217;m at least &#8216;on-side&#8217;.</p>
<p>There are usually several stages both parties need to go through before such forwardness is ventured &#8211; various signals and reciprocal signals. This is in anonymous situations, imagine how much more necessary such signals and stages are in a WORK related situation, where your position and JOB is on the line!</p>
<p>In the normal course of events you KNOW if someone is not looking for it or up for it. If they don&#8217;t catch on to your subtle signals and return with other signals you just DON&#8217;T go there. To do so would be sheer lunacy.</p>
<p>The description of events given by the alleged &#8216;victim&#8217; of sexual harassment seems extremely unusual behaviour and so extremely unlikely.</p>
<p>That is IF the &#8216;victim&#8217; didn&#8217;t give any signals (they would have to be clear and repeated in this situation &#8211; you can&#8217;t really do it by accident; a normal smile for example is not enough) that would lead a person in a <i>work-related</i> environment to feel confident enough to make such full-on, brazen advances.</p>
<p>So, from the little information available, I&#8217;d say the &#8216;victim&#8217;s&#8217; complaint is a crock of homophobic shit &#8211; and if the gay guy wins this case, the &#8216;victim&#8217; needs to be sacked.</p>
<p>That said, unlikliness does not prove innocence and the gay guy could be an arrogant twat who thinks he can get away with flashing his willy willy nilly.</p>
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